Questions that need Answering

[Sky Shadow]

We see Prowl and Ironhide sitting as Maximal Elders, but they both lucked out in the first 10 minutes of TF:TM.

Isn't what happens to them in Transformers: The Movie the opposite of "lucked out"?* Grimlock, Silverbolt, Ravage, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw, Arcee, Alpha Trion, Sinnertwin, Razorclaw, Divebomb, Hot Rod, Trailbreaker, Sunstreaker, Sideswipe, Bumblebee, Ratchet, Outback, Chromia, Vector Prime, Devcon, Cyclonus, Quake, Skywarp, Bumblebee, Deathsaurus, Starscream's ghost and High Beam are also still around.

*I just looked it up and apparently "lucked out" can mean both:

(idiomatic) To experience great luck; to be extremely fortunate or lucky.
(idiomatic, UK) To have run out of luck.

Well that renders it a completely useless phrase then...

[liegeprime]

Following all these continuities is giving me a headache I can't keep up which versions are being mentioned, comics, cartoons etc etc.... I think Im just gonna steer clear for now until I get a few more questiones again to clear up

Oh SS: hehehe Starscream's ghost ... still around hehehhe I don't think that one's gonna go away at all heheheheh

[griffin]

Before this descends into debating the many contradictions that is the Transformers Universe we all know and love - I thought this was a topic for questions for Verno to resolve in his stories, not for people to post their own answers or opinions to the questions being asked... unless of course, Verno wanted submissions to help him fill his remaining plot holes.

[Verno]

I'm happy to discuss the plot points, but as long as we don't end up going around in circles due to opinions rather than fact.

The Japanese cartoon continuity is officially tied to the Canadian cartoon continuity and it states that Primal has a Matrix.

I'm interested as to how you think it's officially tied Gok? The relationship is one sided. BW movie or II or whatever depends on the CGI tv show, but the CGI tv show doesn't depend on the Movie II thing. It is a stand alone continuity that has had things applied to it in retrospect, sometimes poorly. Optimus Primal being used in the capacity he was in the Japanese stuff is one of those poor applications, as it makes stuff up out of nowhere.

Optimus Primal is a first time commander of a Maximal exploration ship, not a Supreme Maximal Commander with an Energon matrix in his chest.

[Verno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8NWAzNBzQ

Go to 3:07 and watch. I can't see an Energon Matrix in Primal's chest. Does that not count as evidence?

[GoktimusPrime]

I'm interested as to how you think it's officially tied Gok? The relationship is one sided. BW movie or II or whatever depends on the CGI tv show, but the CGI tv show doesn't depend on the Movie II thing. It is a stand alone continuity that has had things applied to it in retrospect, sometimes poorly. Optimus Primal being used in the capacity he was in the Japanese stuff is one of those poor applications, as it makes stuff up out of nowhere.

Yeah dude... that's how expanded universe works. Like Boba Fett punching his way out of the Sarlacc So stupid... but it's official canon!

I never said any of this was good canon -- good or bad is a matter of opinion, and as you said it's better to discuss facts rather than opinions otherwise we'd end up going in circles. The canonical fact is that the Japanese BW canon is intended to be part of the Canadian cartoon continuity much like in an expanded universe capacity. Same with the Marvel UK comics - Simon Furman wrote them as an expansion of what Bob Budiansky was writing for Marvel US. Marvel tried to separate these two worlds by establishing Earth-91274 and Earth-120185; Earth-91274 is where ONLY the events of the Marvel US comics occur and supposedly none of the expansive material of the Marvel UK comics happens, and Earth-120185 is where everything in the Marvel US and UK comics occurs. Problem with this of course is when Simon Furman took over from Bob Budiansky in writing the US comics and started tying in Earth-91274 continuity with events from Earth-120185. For instance, the entire Matrix Quest and subsequent stories after that could NOT have occured if not for the Autobots having blasted Optimus Prime's old body off into space in a funeral barge and the whole Deathbringer story -- events which had only occured in Earth-120185! So I guess it meant that Earth-91274 was retconned as being "everything that happened in the US comics plus some stuff that happened in the UK comics that ties back in with the US comics."

As I said, you can look at BW in a similar way - different continuity streams. Let's call them Stream A, Stream B and Stream C just for convenience sake.
Stream A: Only the events of the Canadian CGI cartoon occured. Everything else is ignored.
Stream B: Only the events of the Canadian cartoon, Japanese anime and 3H BotCon/OTFCC comics occured.
Stream C: Only the events of the Canadian cartoon and the IDW comics occured.

So in Stream B we can conclude that Optimus Primal possessed a Matrix, whereas in Streams A and C he probably did not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8NWAzNBzQ

Go to 3:07 and watch. I can't see an Energon Matrix in Primal's chest. Does that not count as evidence?

Sorry, I have to get ready to go to Tokyo, so I don't have time watch that... but remember that in G1 Season 1 we saw the inside of Optimus Prime's chest and there was NO Matrix and not even the housing component for it. Yet in Transformers The Movie, there it was. In the early G1 comics the Matrix was an intangible program housed in Optimus Prime's brain (which was transferred to Buster Witwicky's brain and later back to Optimus Prime) - yet later on it became a physical object inside Prime's chest like we saw in the movie.

Also, Primal's Matrix is kinda "deep" (ish) and had to come out IIRC

[Verno]

I'd love to hear people's theories as to when exactly G1 Megs got his hands on the Voyager disk and made the encrypted message.

[griffin]

I'm not sure how it played out chronologically, but I thought there was an image of it in the BW episode of the Voyager probe passing one of our gas giants at the time Megatron inscribed his message. I'm Just not sure if the writers/animators worked it out or just guessed as to where the Voyager probe would actually be during the Generation 1 cartoon, or at least while Megatron was alive & kicking (1984-2005).

[GoktimusPrime]

Considering that it was Megatron in his original G1 Earth form... it'd be sometime between 1984-2005, since after 2005 he became Galvatron.

[Verno]

So when G1 Megs says "but I know that TransWarp technology is being developed" in the messsage, was he just guessing, or was he paranoid? Or we're the Autobots really working on it that early?

-edit-

Didn't he get his grey gun mode back at some point and Galvatron became a force unto himself?