How to get MP Megatron shipped to Oz?

[danny-boy]

This has been bugging me for a while. We all know a Masterpiece Megatron version 2.0 is coming sooner or later, but how do we get him to our doorsteps without a gun license? I ordered MP-05 and encore Megatron back when they came out and both got through. But I'm not keen on taking the risk again. What's everyone's plan?

[GoktimusPrime]

You don't need a gun licence, but you do need replica Firearms Permit.

You will need to do the following:

1. Ensure that you comply with legal safe storage requirements. This includes:
* locks on all exterior doors and windows
* lock on your Transformers collection room (or whichever room you store your gun Transformer)
* if the room is on the ground floor, you must have bars/grills fitted on all windows for that room. You are not required to do this if it is an upstairs room.
* a lockable display unit(s) for your gun Transformers. This does not need to be wall mounted (mine is a glass display unit with a padlock).

2. Complete Firearms Permit Form P634.

This is the ONLY way that you can legally import and possess replica gun Transformers in NSW. Follow this link for further information.
http://megatron.net.au/MC_Masterpiece_MP05_NSW.htm

P.S.: Could you please provide a link or source to the news about a new upcoming MP Megatron "2.0"? Thanks.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Moved thread as it is not news in regards to Megatron or Australia as such, so Discussions and Questions is more appropriate.

Gok: I don't think he has news in regards to a new MP Megs, but is speculating on them making a new one as they have a smaller Convoy and 'scale' for the Masterpiece series.

[danny-boy]

Thanks for the info Goktimus. Yeah it's just speculation, just want to be prepared if they were to announce MP-20 as Megs.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Honestly, I'm half expecting that if we do get a new Megs it'll be G2-styled Tank altmode.

[theshape]

You could just move to perth ;)

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

You could just move to perth ;)

Or better yet, send it to Perth members for 'safe keeping'

I'll take good care of it for you :D:p;)

[Gouki]

Best thing to do is gather all the forms, fill them in, but don't send them off and just before you checkout the Megs, cancel the order, slap yourself in the face and shake your head at the thought you just did something crazy.

Then go buy a good Megatron.:P

[Zommael]

I'd rather have a Masterpiece Galvatron. Sure we have Energon Megatron/Galvatron but... it's just not the same.

[Omega Metro]

Then go buy a good Megatron.:P

Is there a 'good' Megatron around? If so, I ain't seen or heard of one.:p

[GoktimusPrime]

I'd rather have a Masterpiece Galvatron. Sure we have Energon Megatron/Galvatron but... it's just not the same.
^Agreed.

I'd much rather see new characters done as MPs instead of rehashes of old characters that we already have, even if it's a new mould.


Is there a 'good' Megatron around? If so, I ain't seen or heard of one.:p
Shattered Glass. :p

Already, IMO the best Megatron toys have been:
+ Original G1: the robot mode is quite good by G1 standards (especially given the thin alt mode), and the gun mode is just fantastic as a near 1:1 scale replica Walther P38 (the legal issues surrounding this toy in some areas is a testament to how well crafted the alt mode is)
+ G2 Hero Megatron: okay, the colours are a bit strange, and the bright orange pump is just weird, but the toy itself is quite nice. The tank mode gives us a Megatron free of any legal woes. Unlike it's 1993 G2 bricktastic predecessor, it has a fully articulated robot mode - which was a whole new thing at the time.
+ G2 Go-Bot Megatron: Megatron as a Porsche may seem strange, but the Go-Bots were cool in their ability to conserve momentum with their free-spinning axles. Their scale also makes them compatible with playsets from other mini cars like Matchbox, Hotwheels etc. Loads of play value for such a small and inexpensive toy. The Go-Bot moulds were reused years later for Car Robot and Robots In Disguise as the Spychangers (and the Megatron mould became Artfire/Hot Shot).
+ BW Megatron - Basic, Ultra, Transmetal: all great toys. High detailed sculpting with great articulation. Basic Megatron's tail weapon was a simple but effective design, being part of a new generation of toys with completely self-contained accessories. Ultra Megatron's lack of hands takes a while to get used to, but he has that fun water squirting gimmick and hip mounted missile launchers. He also has one of the better looking mutant heads that looks like an evil war mask. Transmetal Megatron is the best designed of all the BW Megatrons IMO, just a fantastic toy.
+ Henkei Megatron: the Nerf Maverick gun mode finally allows a Megatron gun toy to be sold without legal issues! The Henkei version does away with the clown colours of Classics Megatron. United Megatron has a more G1 inspired colour scheme.
+ Animated Megatron: great toy - one of the best Leader Class toys ever made. By far the best Leader Class Megatron toy ever made. :) The way that the helicopter rotors become the swords is quite neat IMO.
+ Dark of the Moon Voyager Megatron: the best of the movieverse Megatron toys IMO. It has a definitive looking alt mode and I like how the hood works in both vehicle and robot modes.

...that's it. None of the other Megatron toys have impressed me much.

[Sinnertwin]

I wouldnt mind a new Megatron. Got to sit through the 5000 obligatory Prime repaints first. Shockwave, Galvatron and Cyclonus, all on my wishlist.

[VERT]

Galvatron is a Must. They have to do one. G2 Meg Tank is the way to go I think. How cool would a MP Tank be?:D

[Bidoofdude]

Megatron or Megatron is a MUST buy for me!:D
I can imagine a cartoon accurate toy with all that G1 goodness in my mind...:D;)

Speaking of Megs, I wouldn't be too bugged if they gave his legs (and gun handle) a more cartoon-like look, as in quite flat and dark grey coloured, as shown below:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8532/8639352886_504ff8e05f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/68801062@N05/8639352886/)
Megatron Gun Mode (http://www.flickr.com/photos/68801062@N05/8639352886/) by Bidoofdude (http://www.flickr.com/people/68801062@N05/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8261/8639352828_4bd122b48e.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/68801062@N05/8639352828/)
Megatron Robot Mode (http://www.flickr.com/photos/68801062@N05/8639352828/) by Bidoofdude (http://www.flickr.com/people/68801062@N05/), on Flickr

I think this would solve some of the issues surrounding him and his ownership and would allow for a cartoon-like look.:cool:;)

Though, no idea how to fix the chicken legs.:p;)

[Iriorne]

I think this would solve some of the issues surrounding him and his ownership and would allow for a cartoon-like look.:cool:;)

The main issue with legal ownership is that his alt-mode is a realistic looking gun. Regardless of whether it's slightly over/under size, whether you change the some of the contours or lighten the grip colour, if someone pointed something like that at me I'm not going to be asking for a close up look. :p

[Sinnertwin]

Though, no idea how to fix the chicken legs.:p;)

Squats.

[Bidoofdude]

The main issue with legal ownership is that his alt-mode is a realistic looking gun. Regardless of whether it's slightly over/under size, whether you change the some of the contours or lighten the grip colour, if someone pointed something like that at me I'm not going to be asking for a close up look. :p

Yes, this is quite true, although they do give it a slightly better chance. :o;)
And yes, you would unfortunately not see the handle when someone is pointed at you... -_-:o:p

Hmm, how can they design it so it won't be recognized as a weapon, replica or not?:p:cool:
Anyone got an idea? I'm stumped.:confused::o

[GoktimusPrime]

The main issue with legal ownership is that his alt-mode is a realistic looking gun. Regardless of whether it's slightly over/under size, whether you change the some of the contours or lighten the grip colour, if someone pointed something like that at me I'm not going to be asking for a close up look. :p
^+1 QFT. eHobby Megatron and Chronicles Megatron have that more toy like flat grey, but they still count as replica firearms. It just needs to look like a realistic gun at a glance.


Squats.
LOL! :D

Yes, this is quite true, although they do give it a slightly better chance. :o;)
Not really. MP Megatron is oversized but it still counts as a replica.


Hmm, how can they design it so it won't be recognized as a weapon, replica or not?:p:cool:
Anyone got an idea? I'm stumped.:confused::o
Don't make it look like a recognisable weapon! Methods may include:
a. Paint the tip of the barrel bright orange.
b. Paint the entire toy in bright clown colours like a Nerf gun
c. Make the toy extremely undersized e.g. Smallest TF Megatron, Choro-Q Megatron, RtS Legends Class Megatron are all exempt from replica weapon classification (hence why RtS Megs was able to be sold by Hasbro; they didn't even need to make the barrel tip orange, but they did it anyway :rolleyes:)
d. Model the gun mode after a non-realistic gun type, e.g. scifi/space gun (like G1 Shockwave, Galvatron etc.), Nerf weapon (like CHUGUR Megatrons) etc.
...or a combination of the above.

Classics Megatron is a great example of this as it combines all of the above!! :eek: Here's (http://trentdonelson.com/gallery/albums/Toys/megatronandnerf.sized.jpg) a comparison pic between Classics Megs and an N-Strike Maverick ... you can actually see that Megatron is noteably smaller than the Nerf gun. Hasbro really covered all their bases with that toy! :eek:

[Omega Metro]

Whats the point of a bright orange tip when you can just paint it to match?

[Bidoofdude]

Whats the point of a bright orange tip when you can just paint it to match?

So they can actually sell it legally.:p;)

[Sinnertwin]

I never saw the point of the legends (?) G1 Megatron having the orange cap. Were they worried oompa loompa's were going to go on a crime spree?

[DELTAprime]

Honestly, I'm half expecting that if we do get a new Megs it'll be G2-styled Tank altmode.

Yeah, after how MP-5 turned out I doubt it will be a "replica" gun again. It compromised the robot modes sturdiness. I keep my MP-5 MIB cause it is kinda fragile.

[Iriorne]

I'd quite like a revised P-38 Megatron, provided they can get the robot mode proportioned properly and make it more robust. A tank Megatron could be good too if they can get the robot mode fairly close-ish to the G1 look. A white 'snow camo' tank would look pretty cool, although I wouldn't say no to a green and purple scheme either. :D

I think it might be hard to justify a tank Megatron as part of the masterpiece line which has so far been heavily focused on G1 cartoon appearances and aesthetics. No doubt they would upset a lot of people, though most would still buy the toy anyway. :)

My feeling is that it'll be a gun Megatron or nothing.

[Paulbot]

A tank Megatron could be good too if they can get the robot mode fairly close-ish to the G1 look.

The art for the Transformers Legends game (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/megatron-razorclaw-and-warpath-from-transformers-legends-mobile-device-game/25934/) made a great job of imaginging a tank Megatron that transformed into a G1 looking robot. I'd buy a toy of Megatron that looked like that.

[Bidoofdude]

Yeah, that would be good, especially if it moved around so you could still make somewhat of a gun mode as well as the tank. :D;)

[VERT]

The art for the Transformers Legends game (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/megatron-razorclaw-and-warpath-from-transformers-legends-mobile-device-game/25934/) made a great job of imaginging a tank Megatron that transformed into a G1 looking robot. I'd buy a toy of Megatron that looked like that.


Yeah this just what we need. Looks just right in Bot mode and its easy to import. :D

[GoktimusPrime]

Easier to draw than engineer though. You're talking about having Megatron transform into a tank, but have Walther P38 kibble in robot mode. :/

[Bidoofdude]

Easier to draw than engineer though. You're talking about having Megatron transform into a tank, but have Walther P38 kibble in robot mode. :/
Yeah basically. The kibble could become some good tank parts though. :p;)
As long as it could form some sort of basic gun mode in addition to a tank mode, I'd be happy. :)

[Kapryiath]

excuse me whilst i necro this thread, but if i'm not mistaken masterpiece megatron is defined as a replica firearm yes?
then how is he illegal in qld if this is accurate?
http://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/licenceApplication/weapons/replicas.htm

[drifand]

excuse me whilst i necro this thread, but if i'm not mistaken masterpiece megatron is defined as a replica firearm yes?
then how is he illegal in qld if this is accurate?
http://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/licenceApplication/weapons/replicas.htm

Why don't you post it to the police? As anything anyone says here is not valid as in the end is up to them to make a call whether you can import it.

[griffin]

excuse me whilst i necro this thread, but if i'm not mistaken masterpiece megatron is defined as a replica firearm yes?
then how is he illegal in qld if this is accurate?
http://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/licenceApplication/weapons/replicas.htm

I remember posting somewhere else on this site, that replica weapons (like Megatron gun toys) may not require a permit to own, but it is illegal carrying it in public.
(and the permit for ownership can sometimes be up to interpretation, depending on who you call up to ask)

Plus, it is still worth considering that most of the international mail comes through Sydney to be processed by Customs, so while it is currently in NSW, they will treat it as illegal the moment it gets into that jurisdiction. But if you write to them if they notify you of the seizure, they should release it to you.

[Kapryiath]

So the theory would be then that its illegal to import it but once its here its legal to own ? Am I reading that right?

[unexpectedpanda]

The restrictions are on a state-by-state level. MP-5 was able to be imported into WA, then sent to other states.

You would of course still be subject to your own state's laws if the updated Megs still qualified as a replica firearm.

[unexpectedpanda]

So the theory would be then that its illegal to import it but once its here its legal to own ? Am I reading that right?

Importing it is not illegal in itself. But depending on the state, you may require a replica firearm permit to get it released from customs should it be identified as a replica weapon and held up. NSW has strict requirements in this regard, as noted very early in this thread.

If it somehow makes it into your hands, then the likeliness of anything being confiscated drops dramatically. But if you don't satisfy the state replica weapon laws, it is still illegal to possess.

[drifand]

The restrictions are on a state-by-state level. MP-5 was able to be imported into WA, then sent to other states.

You would of course still be subject to your own state's laws if the updated Megs still qualified as a replica firearm.

At your own risk. Do not assume that once in Australia means it is safe to buy from another state.

[DELTAprime]

I know for a fact something about the Customs scanning that explains why some people have gotten gun TFs into the country without problem through the mail over the years and it's getting worse the more volume of mail comes in. It is actually kinda worrying as someone that doesn't like the idea of actually dangerous items getting into the country.

[DELTAprime]

I remember posting somewhere else on this site, that replica weapons (like Megatron gun toys) may not require a permit to own, but it is illegal carrying it in public.

One of my Xbox live friends that I know in person and lives here in QLD also is a sporting shooter. He has all sorts of guns including some antiques. He told me that Megatron should fall under the replica gun category and not require a permit in QLD. But don't go showing it off in public.

Under Peter Beattie's government the rules were much stricter, the police said without hesitation that MP-05, G1 Megatron and Browning were all illegal.

[Zommael]

Just putting this out there, and I know to some it will seem very controversial, but the question is not just a legal one, but a moral one as well. Are you really comfortable, for the sake of your collection, bringing a replica firearm into the country? If so, are you going to do the right thing and comply with the laws about keeping it locked up? There are good reasons why firearms and replica firearms are restricted: they are dangerous items. I speak as someone who once owned Masterpiece Megatron (in the UK), but ended up moving it on because I wasn't comfortable holding on to a replica firearm. More than any other toy, I feel you take on a certain responsibility and moral obligation when it comes to any of the figures that transform into real world weapons, and a lesser one when you bring in any of the futuristic/cybertronian weapons, that just isn't there with replica cars, planes, and tanks.

In my opinion, it's not just a matter of how to get it into the country, but whether or not you really feel that you actually should.

[DELTAprime]

Just putting this out there, and I know to some it will seem very controversial, but the question is not just a legal one, but a moral one as well. Are you really comfortable, for the sake of your collection, bringing a replica firearm into the country? If so, are you going to do the right thing and comply with the laws about keeping it locked up? There are good reasons why firearms and replica firearms are restricted: they are dangerous items. I speak as someone who once owned Masterpiece Megatron (in the UK), but ended up moving it on because I wasn't comfortable holding on to a replica firearm. More than any other toy, I feel you take on a certain responsibility and moral obligation when it comes to any of the figures that transform into real world weapons, and a lesser one when you bring in any of the futuristic/cybertronian weapons, that just isn't there with replica cars, planes, and tanks.

In my opinion, it's not just a matter of how to get it into the country, but whether or not you really feel that you actually should.

You know what constitutes a replica gun in Queensland? Any toy gun that looks like a real gun. So the toy AK47 and CAR15 I had as a kid are replicas under the current law and under those current gun laws legal to own without a permit.

At Crazy Clarks a couple of years before they went bust I saw toy MP5 sub machine guns on the racks that were black with no orange tip if they weren't legal any cop walking through the store (which the do regularly in shopping centres to catch shop lifters) could bust them for it. Also MP Megs makes a terrible replica because he is so freakin huge compared to a real P38. I remember on the Ages 3 and Up Podcast the guy that owns the A3U store had to show MP Megs off to the Canadian authorities before they would let him into the country. The Mounties laughed at how ridiculously over sized Megs is in gun mode and let the guys shipment into Canada.

I see zero moral problem owning a toy gun.

[theshape]

Zero dilemma in owning these.

[Trent]

Zero dilemma in owning these.

Same.

But, in reply to Deltaprime, if someone charges into a shop waving around what looks to be a firearm, all the while screaming at the attendant and threatening to kill them, would you expect the shop attendant to instantly recognise that that is a stupidly oversized P-38 and therefore can't be real? All they would see is a gun and someone threatening to kill them.

[BigTransformerTrev]

My Japanese reissue of G1 Megatron is still MISB and my MP Megatron is such a pain in the butt to transform I keep him in robot mode so end of moral dilemma for me, despite neither having the orange cap :D

[GoktimusPrime]

Just putting this out there, and I know to some it will seem very controversial, but the question is not just a legal one, but a moral one as well. Are you really comfortable, for the sake of your collection, bringing a replica firearm into the country? If so, are you going to do the right thing and comply with the laws about keeping it locked up? There are good reasons why firearms and replica firearms are restricted: they are dangerous items. I speak as someone who once owned Masterpiece Megatron (in the UK), but ended up moving it on because I wasn't comfortable holding on to a replica firearm. More than any other toy, I feel you take on a certain responsibility and moral obligation when it comes to any of the figures that transform into real world weapons, and a lesser one when you bring in any of the futuristic/cybertronian weapons, that just isn't there with replica cars, planes, and tanks.

In my opinion, it's not just a matter of how to get it into the country, but whether or not you really feel that you actually should.
I own gun Transformers. I hold a permit and comply with safe storage requirements. No problems here. :)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/megatronpermit.jpghttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/megatronpermitt.jpg
Note: This is an old permit pictured here, I have since acquired a new permit since my previous one expired. ;)

[auskinglj]

I had A plastic pellet gun from the 80's, didn't work it was my grandad's I kept it after He passed,police seen it in my house, got arrested ,Queens Council + Solicitor + lot of $$$ later,got a 2 year good behaviour bond plus a bunch of fines! And now I have an Unauthorised possession of a firearm on my record because I had no idea a toy from the 80's Could Cause so much Grief

POLICE AND THE COURTS DONT TAKE FIREARMS LAWS LIGHTLY,NO TOY/COLLECTABLE IS WORTH WHAT I WENT THROUGH

Section 7(1) provides “A person must not possess or use a prohibited firearm or pistol unless the person is authorised to do so by a licence or permit.” The maximum penalty is 14 years imprisonment.

[GoktimusPrime]

All the more reason to get a permit. If a police officer came into my house, he would see the following:
+ My permit - stored in a folder with my TF books in my TF room. I can easily produce it.
+ Gun TFs stored in a locked display unit.
+ Locks on my TF room's window and door. As my TF room is an upstairs room, I am not required to fit security bars on the window (but I would be if it were a ground floor room).

The initial cost* and paper work of getting a permit and legally compliant storage was a pain in the Astrotrain, but after that it's relatively simple in terms of renewing the permit once every so many years. Much like any other form of permit/licence, they send you a reminder letter when your permit is about to expire to give you the option to renew it. The funny thing with my last renewal was that I had it signed by a colleague who's also a Justice of the Peace, who had a good chuckle over the whole thing. :D

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*And remember that we are exempt from having to pay the $127 Clause 36 Weapons Regulation fee! ;) I had to purchase the display unit, lock for the unit, and new door handle with lock for my TF room (thankfully the window already had a lock); and that was the most time consuming and financially expensive exercise -- and you only need to do it once -- but the cost of the permit (including renewal) is free.

[DELTAprime]

But, in reply to Deltaprime, if someone charges into a shop waving around what looks to be a firearm, all the while screaming at the attendant and threatening to kill them, would you expect the shop attendant to instantly recognise that that is a stupidly oversized P-38 and therefore can't be real? All they would see is a gun and someone threatening to kill them.

Where did I say anything about going around like a moron robbing people with a MP-05? And even if a robber doesn't display a weapon or even if they don't act aggressive you always do what they say. Just give them the cash or item and let the cops deal with it.

[jazzcomp]

I had A plastic pellet gun from the 80's, didn't work it was my grandad's I kept it after He passed,police seen it in my house, got arrested ,Queens Council + Solicitor + lot of $$$ later,got a 2 year good behaviour bond plus a bunch of fines! And now I have an Unauthorised possession of a firearm on my record because I had no idea a toy from the 80's Could Cause so much Grief

POLICE AND THE COURTS DONT TAKE FIREARMS LAWS LIGHTLY,NO TOY/COLLECTABLE IS WORTH WHAT I WENT THROUGH

Section 7(1) provides “A person must not possess or use a prohibited firearm or pistol unless the person is authorised to do so by a licence or permit.” The maximum penalty is 14 years imprisonment.
How is a toy a prohibited firearm?

[DELTAprime]

How is a toy a prohibited firearm?

Depends what state you are in. NSW has thought since the 80's that toys are guns.

Here in Queensland after reading some of the police web site I wonder if they even classify toys as replica guns, I can't find any reference to toys other than saying an item that is not a toy is classified as a weapon.

[auskinglj]

How is a toy a prohibited firearm?

That was why i kept it, i thought it's just a toy(looked like any toy gun from the 80's),I never took it out side didn't show it to people just kept it as a memento on a shelf inside its tattered original box on a shelf in my house,but it was Classed as a replica because it was black and had a mechanism to fire ammunition(plastic pellets)even though it didn't work,it had nothing to distinguish it from a real firearm, Police said I could have used to threaten/rob someone and as such it was a prohibited firearm

[Trent]

Where did I say anything about going around like a moron robbing people with a MP-05? And even if a robber doesn't display a weapon or even if they don't act aggressive you always do what they say. Just give them the cash or item and let the cops deal with it.

Well, you said this:


Also MP Megs makes a terrible replica because he is so freakin huge compared to a real P38. I remember on the Ages 3 and Up Podcast the guy that owns the A3U store had to show MP Megs off to the Canadian authorities before they would let him into the country. The Mounties laughed at how ridiculously over sized Megs is in gun mode and let the guys shipment into Canada.

I see zero moral problem owning a toy gun.

And my reply was hinting that is doesn't matter if it's a terrible replica gun. It still looks like a gun and could be used in a robbery/threatening manner, hence why it is classed as a firearm.

And I like the way you simply dismiss it as "just give them cash or item and let the cops deal with it." That's too late chum. Ever heard of post traumatic stress? Ask anyone who's been held at gunpoint, then later found it was a replica and ask them if it in any way diminishes the emotions/stress they felt at the time. Guess what the answer is?

There is a very real and good reason that MP-5 is classed as a replica firearm in NSW and I believe that should continue to be the case.

[griffin]

Replica weapons is usually a category in criminal codes as well, to refer to props or toys that could fool people into thinking it is a real gun... as it is the intention behind the use of it that is just as important as the firing of a real gun.
(intention to commit a crime, as well as the commission of a crime)

[Dinkydarth]

do repainted Nerf Guns fit in the same category? How about ones painted to look futuristic/sci fi?

[jazzcomp]

That was why i kept it, i thought it's just a toy(looked like any toy gun from the 80's),I never took it out side didn't show it to people just kept it as a memento on a shelf inside its tattered original box on a shelf in my house,but it was Classed as a replica because it was black and had a mechanism to fire ammunition(plastic pellets)even though it didn't work,it had nothing to distinguish it from a real firearm, Police said I could have used to threaten/rob someone and as such it was a prohibited firearm
Pics would be good. Some quotes- though I don't know if they are valid till today.

The NSW Firearms act 1996 states an imitation firearm does not include objects produced and identified as a children’s toy.

The NSW Police firearms registry says a toy is distinguished from an imitation firearm by the packaging, targeted sale market (ie. sold in a toy store, marked ‘‘for ages 3+’’ etc), the materials it is is made from, its general appearance or how it functions.


If an imitation looks substantially like the real thing, a permit is required to own it and it has to be stored just like a real gun.

If it has been produced as a toy and if it is marketed as a toy, then the above does not apply.

[Zommael]

As others have pointed out, in the real world, whether or not it is a toy or looks like a toy is irrelevant so long as it can be taken out and used to threaten. The same applies to the law; it being marketed as a toy makes no difference to the bank clerk who fears being shot.

I'm not condemning nor condoning those who do choose to own MP Megatron or G1 Megatron, either in Australia or elsewhere. Like I said, I used to own it myself. What I am trying to do, if the obvious difficulties of importing it in the first place aren't enough, is get fans to consider the issues involved before just deciding to import it. I have every respect for fans who choose to own it responsibly according to the law, keeping it locked up, but that isn't every fan. All it takes is a burglary and a robber with enough brains to transform it*, and you've gone from a collector's piece to an illegal replica firearm.

*Admittedly, with MP Megatron, you may think this is unlikely, but we're not discussing the other issue with that toy: namely that it's actually quite a bad figure!

[5FDP]

As others have pointed out, in the real world, whether or not it is a toy or looks like a toy is irrelevant so long as it can be taken out and used to threaten.

Does that mean I have to get a weapons permit for my replica black pudding from the Goodies episode The Battle of Ecky Thump? :D

[BruiseLee]

Does that mean I have to get a weapons permit for my replica black pudding from the Goodies episode The Battle of Ecky Thump? :D

Ok, now where can I get one of these?!? :D

[BigTransformerTrev]

Replica weapons is usually a category in criminal codes as well, to refer to props or toys that could fool people into thinking it is a real gun... as it is the intention behind the use of it that is just as important as the firing of a real gun.
(intention to commit a crime, as well as the commission of a crime)

'Mens Rea' - guilty mind, as well as 'Actus Reaus' - guilty act.


Whaddya know, I remembered something from my old law days :D

[drifand]

Same.

But, in reply to Deltaprime, if someone charges into a shop waving around what looks to be a firearm, all the while screaming at the attendant and threatening to kill them, would you expect the shop attendant to instantly recognise that that is a stupidly oversized P-38 and therefore can't be real? All they would see is a gun and someone threatening to kill them.

That guy should be shot, end story. I don't really care much for stupidity nowadays, but there is always someone.

The real stupid thing here is, who the hell can be bothered to buy a $180 Maegatron just to rob a bank? They probably can get something looking more realistic act cheaper price imo. But then I dunno, I always been proven wrong that some nut would do it.

[Bidoofdude]

Replica weapons is usually a category in criminal codes as well, to refer to props or toys that could fool people into thinking it is a real gun... as it is the intention behind the use of it that is just as important as the firing of a real gun.
(intention to commit a crime, as well as the commission of a crime)

I imagined a middle-aged man walking into a bank with comically oversized MP Megatrons and holding it up. :p

[DELTAprime]

Well, you said this:



And my reply was hinting that is doesn't matter if it's a terrible replica gun. It still looks like a gun and could be used in a robbery/threatening manner, hence why it is classed as a firearm.

And I like the way you simply dismiss it as "just give them cash or item and let the cops deal with it." That's too late chum. Ever heard of post traumatic stress? Ask anyone who's been held at gunpoint, then later found it was a replica and ask them if it in any way diminishes the emotions/stress they felt at the time. Guess what the answer is?

There is a very real and good reason that MP-5 is classed as a replica firearm in NSW and I believe that should continue to be the case.

You are always going to have to deal with criminals. They are not going to use a hard to acquire G1 Megatron or MP Megatron or G1 Browning. They are going to use an easy to acquire weapon like a kitchen knife or cricket bat. Any idiot that thinks a Transformer is great weapon is retarded.:mad::mad::mad:

EDIT: OK I've calmed down now, sorry. Maybe we should not talk about morals of owning a toy.

[griffin]

MP Megatron isn't as oversized to a real gun as some people are thinking.
A comparison photo was posted up when the toy came out, and it was as close in size to a real handgun as Gen1 Megatron.

I can't seem to find the photo now, but these were some photos I could find with a google search...
Gen1 Megatron next to a real Walther P-38 (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/comparing-g1-megatron-to-his-reallife-counterpart/27666/), which looks about 30% bigger than the Gen1 toy.
Gen1 Megatron with Masterpiece Megatron (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/emperorpete/Toys/Transformers/CoolStuff/01/LotsOfGuns1.jpg), which only looks to be about 60% bigger than the Gen1 toy.
As such, the real gun would be close to midway between the two Transformers guns.
The wiki page for the real gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_P38) says it is 216mm long.
The Gen1 Megatron is 172mm long, and MP Megatron is 280mm long.
That makes it 4cm between Gen1 and the real gun, and 6cm between MP and the real gun.
Not that much difference... and close enough for both Transformers toys to be classed as "replica" to fool someone behind a counter in not questioning if it is real.
(a replica gun is just as dangerous as an unloaded gun - are you going to challenge the offender to prove it is a loaded or lethal weapon?)


BTW, in the second link, four of those Transformers toys are considered replica weapons, as they only have to be close enough to fool people at a glance to count as "replica".

[griffin]

For anyone wondering if hold-ups use replica weapons (because it is cheaper and easier to buy than a real gun), a google search comes up with quite a few (https://www.google.com.au/#q=holdup+with+replica+weapon)... and there are probably a lot more that are never known, if they don't get caught.

[jazzcomp]

How many of those are transformers toys?

[nexusnixx]

Sooooo who needs a mp5? ;)

[Sinnertwin]

Replica or not, when you've been involved with two armed hold up's, the last thing you want to do is push your luck & see if they fire or not.

[Zommael]

The issue isn't people going out and buying MP or G1 Megatron to use as a replica in a hold-up. It's that all it would take is a criminal with half a brain to do a burglary one night, steal your MP Megatron, and use it in a hold up the next day. Or for a mail theft or fraud to take place resulting in the loss of an imported toy to a criminal. Or for it to be left in a vehicle which is later stolen. There are any number of scenarios that could lead to the toy being used in this fashion. That's why there are serious questions any collector should ask themselves before importing the toys: primarily, are you prepared to do everything you ought to in order to keep it safe and do everything possible to prevent those scenarios coming to pass.

[GoktimusPrime]

True story (and some people here know who I'm talking about): many years ago a Transformers collector in the ACT carried a G1 Megatron - in gun mode - at a train station. He was tackled by guards, questioned, and then released. This same person later did the same thing at an airport, and was again tackled by security, detained, questioned, then released. So there are people out there who are stupid enough to take gun Transformers out in public and use them in a perceived threatening manner. Note that this all happened before the 11/9/2001 terror attacks. Since then you cannot even wear a tee shirt showing an image of a Transformer holding a gun at an airport (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2065320/Airport-staff-stop-passenger-boarding-for-wearing-Transformers-T-shirt.html). :( A few years ago I know of a teenager of who was arrested for carrying a replica toy gun in public. And just last year a lunatic in my very neighbourhood was arrested for threatening another neighbour with a replica gun - turned out it was a cigarette lighter shaped like a pistol, but the police confiscated it, arrested him, charged him and the judge placed him on a good behaviour bond (which he later broke and was imprisoned).

As Zommael and others have rightfully pointed out, it doesn't matter that gunformers are not operable firearms and can never be modified to be operable firearms; the fact is that they visually resemble actual firearms, and you only need to present a credible threat to someone else to be legally committing assault.


do repainted Nerf Guns fit in the same category? How about ones painted to look futuristic/sci fi?
Nerf Guns are exempt, that's why they're readily available in stores in Australia, and also Classics Megatron (who transforms into a Nerf Maverick) was able to be released by Hasbro and sold here. Henkei and United Megatron are also fine, since they share the same mould, irrespective of cosmetic differences. However realistic looking scifi and fantasy guns may classify as replica firearms, because remember that the average Joe or Jane may not know the difference between a real model gun or a fictitious model gun that may look realistic in a crisis situation. Keep in mind that when a person is under threat, they're likely to freak out. The average person, in abject fear, shock and terror, is unlikely to take the time to carefully inspect what looks like a gun pointing at them for authenticity!

And while MP Megatron may be oversized for a Walther P38, there are some pretty huge hand guns out there, and it's not unreasonable for a member of the public to mistake MP Megatron for one of these guns. They include:
.500 S&W Magnum (http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/30LOq1-8uhs/maxresdefault.jpg)
.50 BMG Revolver (http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/5/0/7/2/6/3/50-BMG-Revolver-1267594217.jpeg)
RP98 .50 BMG pistol (http://www.swc.fi/pics/RP-98%20B2%20one%20hand.gif)
Taurus 20 gauge revolver (http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/se4e872890.jpg)
Pfeifer Zeliska 28mm Revolver (http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Pfeifer-314x400.jpg)
So to a person who's unfamiliar with firearms and replica toy guns, and to be in an extremely heightened state of fear, it's not implausible for someone to credibly mistaken MP Megatron for just being a really big handgun. As for G1 Gunformers being "too small," remember that there are small pistols IRL as well, such as the Derringer (http://www.tannersgun.com/images-bond-arms/bond-arms-snake-slayer-derringer-pistol.JPG), or any of these pocket guns (http://forum.gon.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=101049&stc=1&d=1197424641).

But don't forget that the same replica toy gun permit which covers Megatron also covers scifi guns such as Blade Runner and Star Wars. For example, if I wanted to get a replica of Deckard's gun from Blade Runner, I don't need to acquire another permit. My existing Megatron Transformer permit also covers it.


Replica or not, when you've been involved with two armed hold up's, the last thing you want to do is push your luck & see if they fire or not.
^Exactly this! :)

The issue isn't people going out and buying MP or G1 Megatron to use as a replica in a hold-up. It's that all it would take is a criminal with half a brain to do a burglary one night, steal your MP Megatron, and use it in a hold up the next day. Or for a mail theft or fraud to take place resulting in the loss of an imported toy to a criminal. Or for it to be left in a vehicle which is later stolen. There are any number of scenarios that could lead to the toy being used in this fashion. That's why there are serious questions any collector should ask themselves before importing the toys: primarily, are you prepared to do everything you ought to in order to keep it safe and do everything possible to prevent those scenarios coming to pass.
+1 QFT :D
"Prevention" is the key word here. Nothing is 100% fool proof, but we can take measures to prevent thefts by making it harder for criminals by presenting deterrents. It's the same reason why we lock our houses and cars. :) The majority of gun crimes aren't committed by legal gun owners, but guns which are stolen from legal owners are later used in crimes. The laws don't exist necessarily to "punish" or even deter people who want to legally own firearms or replica firearms, but really to ensure that preventative deterrents are put in place to make it harder for the bad guys to steal them and use them in crimes. It's a regrettable result that legally compliant and law abiding citizens are greatly inconvenienced because of this. :o

[dirge]

True story (and some people here know who I'm talking about): many years ago a Transformers collector in the ACT carried a G1 Megatron - in gun mode - at a train station. He was tackled by guards, questioned, and then released. This same person later did the same thing at an airport, and was again tackled by security, detained, questioned, then released. So there are people out there who are stupid enough to take gun Transformers out in public and use them in a perceived threatening manner.

Unfortunately, as with many things in life, it's idiots like this (and like Gok, I knew this particular person fairly well) that ruin it for the rest of us.

There are people out there who will rely on the ignorance of others too - I wouldn't know a real Glock 9mm from a replica when someone's waiving it around at the 7-11 & I suspect most here wouldn't. The laws are in place for this reason (and the reason of the idiot in Gok's example going and getting himself shot or the airport closed for half a day if he's stupid enough to resist arrests or whatever).

As a moderator of the board, I'd hate to see anyone here post anything which might incriminate themselves - and keep in mind that defiance of the laws here could be enough to get yourself in trouble (depending on the laws of your state, of course). The IPs of posts made on this forum _are_ logged & if the police were to ask for information; we'd have to provide it. If you wish to discuss MP Megatron, please respect the laws of the land for your own sake :)

[Kapryiath]

boy do i regret necroing this thread now :(
didn't mean to cause a stir

[griffin]

Don't regret it... I think it is worth refreshing ourselves, and enlightening the newer members every year or two, on the legal requirements of these toys.
And as dirge said, be careful... but that's mostly just for your own sake, as we used to have a complete ban on discussing the ownership or sale of the Replica weapon Transformers (Megatron & Browning) in case this site got attention from police over it, but have since allowed people to do it at their own risk, as long as it doesn't become prolific enough to make this site look like we are trafficking weapons. (which it hasn't... so warranted a lifting of the ban)

[jazzcomp]

http://www.megatron.net.au/Index.htm


It is legal to own Masterpiece Megatron in South Australia, Australia. However, it is illegal to import it into Australia under South Australian law. It must have already been in the country to own it.


Ownership of Masterpiece Megatron is LEGAL in Western Australia, Australia.

However, it will still likely be seized by Customs which is a Federal body. You will then need to obtain a Form B1709A, IMPORTATION OF FIREARMS-POLICE CONFIRMATION AND CERTIFICATION permit from the Firearms Division of the Western Australian Police to have it released to you from Customs.


Masterpiece Megatron has been made illegal in Victoria, Australia. At present there is no process available for legal importation or ownership.


Masterpiece Megatron has been made illegal in the Australian Capital Territory, Australia. The NSW permit does not operate in the ACT.


Masterpiece Megatron has been made illegal in Queensland, Australia, along with other toys based on modern guns, being guns classified as from 1945 or newer. At present there is no process available for legal importation or ownership.

[Ultra Mackness]

Victorian laws changed in 2011. For Victoria MP Megs and G1 Megs are classified as imitation firearms and it is legal to own them with the Chief Commissioner's approval. Forms can be found here:

http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=25560

[DELTAprime]

I enquired about that Qld law with parliament and there reply was that there is no such law in Queensland and MP-05 is therefore legal.

[kup]

I enquired about that Qld law with parliament and there reply was that there is no such law in Queensland and MP-05 is therefore legal.

Make sure you got the info from someone who understood what you were talking about and not some chump. Or at least have what they said officially written down as 'He/She told me over the phone' doesn't usually fly well legally speaking.

[DELTAprime]

Make sure you got the info from someone who understood what you were talking about and not some chump. Or at least have what they said officially written down as 'He/She told me over the phone' doesn't usually fly well legally speaking.

Yeah I have it in a written letter, not sure where it is tho.

[5FDP]

"Yes, I did obtain permission officer but my dog ate it". :p

[unexpectedpanda]

This is all great info, I've learned a lot! If Megs 2.0 happens, people at least have recourse to own him legally in some states.

[Alpha Supreme]

I have him... I got him when I was living in Germany and then shipped him back in robot mode... didn't have any problems... just lucky I guess.

[DELTAprime]

Keep in mind that I don't think the guy that runs the Megatron Club updates the section on non-NSW laws.

I got the same response as the Megatron Club guy when MP Megs was brand new (and probably not well understood) that he was illegal by a lady at the QLD firearms branch (that was over the phone). But every enquiry since then has said he either isn't covered under any law and therefore legal or covered by the replica gun laws and therefore legal. Since I got the letter from Parliament saying he's legal and nothing newer than that letter counters it I'm going with he is legal in QLD.

And I know I have the letter, just don't know where it is (I'm wasn't very organised years ago).

[5FDP]

Keep in mind that I don't think the guy that runs the Megatron Club updates the section on non-NSW laws.

I think that guy visits here from time to time ;)

[Tfiguy]

You can always get someone in Qld to order it for you and you pick it up, if you were worried about shipping I guess haha. I know for a fact that replicas are are 100% legal in Qld without a license. I know because I did my gun license course about 3 months ago roughly and that question was a top priority for me. The instructor stated that all replicas are allowed in QLD - so long as they are toys. No license required and we read about it during the lesson. He then showed us a heap of them that he gave to his kids. So mp megs and I guess that Hegemon or what ever 3p megs from Toyworld are allowed here.

[DELTAprime]

You can always get someone in Qld to order it for you and you pick it up, if you were worried about shipping I guess haha. I know for a fact that replicas are are 100% legal in Qld without a license. I know because I did my gun license course about 3 months ago roughly and that question was a top priority for me. The instructor stated that all replicas are allowed in QLD - so long as they are toys. No license required and we read about it during the lesson. He then showed us a heap of them that he gave to his kids. So mp megs and I guess that Hegemon or what ever 3p megs from Toyworld are allowed here.

Maybe you can answer this question of mine then. How do we in Qld go about getting a gun TF released from customs if they seize it.

[drifand]

The issue isn't people going out and buying MP or G1 Megatron to use as a replica in a hold-up. It's that all it would take is a criminal with half a brain to do a burglary one night, steal your MP Megatron, and use it in a hold up the next day. Or for a mail theft or fraud to take place resulting in the loss of an imported toy to a criminal. Or for it to be left in a vehicle which is later stolen. There are any number of scenarios that could lead to the toy being used in this fashion. That's why there are serious questions any collector should ask themselves before importing the toys: primarily, are you prepared to do everything you ought to in order to keep it safe and do everything possible to prevent those scenarios coming to pass.

Good luck in trying to transform it first.

[drifand]

Might be a good idea to do a scan of the letter next time.
I know in Perth is ok. But I still do not bring in mp-5 other than my own which was in robot form in other toy boxes together with other transformers.

I brought in the box on a separate trip.

[GoktimusPrime]

Might be a good idea to do a scan of the letter next time.
I agree, especially if you wish to contest this existing letter (http://megatron.net.au/QLD/Letter%20from%20The%20Hon%20Judy%20Spence%20dated% 2024%20July%202008.pdf) from the QLD Police and Corrective Services Ministry.

[DELTAprime]

I agree, especially if you wish to contest this existing letter (http://megatron.net.au/QLD/Letter%20from%20The%20Hon%20Judy%20Spence%20dated% 2024%20July%202008.pdf) from the QLD Police and Corrective Services Ministry.

That letter is from 2008 and from Judy Spence a former ALP member in Queensland who was demoted out of the Police Minister office in 2009 and since then other political parties have taken over. It doesn't say anything about the legality other than she is "advised" it's considered a replica. As we know according to Police's own web site replica guns are legal in Queensland without a permit.

Now will you southerners let this go.

[griffin]

Maybe you can answer this question of mine then. How do we in Qld go about getting a gun TF released from customs if they seize it.

Ask them what "red tape" is require for its release, as you are in a legal state. They will probably have you fill out a form or sign something before they forward it on to you, since that's what people were saying when Masterpiece Megatron was being seized.
But you have a limited amount of time though, as they don't hold them forever.

[Tfiguy]

Maybe you can answer this question of mine then. How do we in Qld go about getting a gun TF released from customs if they seize it.

erm...By saying pretty please? haha I can't tell you mate. But it was written in one of the QLD Gun Liscence books that we had to study, that we can have replicas so long as it's a toy and only a toy. I tell you what, I'll give the instructor a call and find out some info this week and let you know if I don't forget ;) Did you get poor old Megs locked up?

[Defcon]

Someone has already mentioned this already... if items are legal and/or legally obtained, a person still needs to take personal responsibility for possessing a replica, as its misuse is illegal

Need to also consider if you own one and plan to sell in the future, it could be problematic to do, have to consider the risk, the person you sell it to might misuse it. In which case from my way of looking at it, you can still share part of the responsibility even though its no longer in your possession.

I'm not directing this comment to anyone in particular, its just how I feel about this topic.

[GoktimusPrime]

But anything can be misused for illegal purposes. If someone sold a car and the buyer then used that vehicle in a crime, should that seller be held responsible for the actions of the new owner? However I think that you do bring up an interesting point about what the legalities of selling replica firearms may be in Australia. It's something I've never thought of, because I personally have no intention of ever selling my Gunformers, but I'd be curious to know. :)

[DELTAprime]

Did you get poor old Megs locked up?

No I'm just wondering because I may have to deal with it if MP Megatron 2.0 ever happens. If I could buy direct from Japan instead of WA it would save a lot of cash.

[Tfiguy]

No I'm just wondering because I may have to deal with it if MP Megatron 2.0 ever happens. If I could buy direct from Japan instead of WA it would save a lot of cash.

Yes, well, if they ever do there's no doubt I will get that in stock. I doubt there would be any complications, as I've ordered a few OG MP Megatrons in and never been hassled. But I'll let everyone know if any issues raise their ugly heads.

[GoktimusPrime]

Bear in mind that Customs is a Federal body, not State. So even if you are a permit holder, or if the toy is completely unrestricted in your state, it can still be seized by Customs. However, once they send you the seizure notification, you then contact Customs and either produce your permit or inform them that you live in a state where the toy is unrestricted, and arrange a time to go in and personally pick up the toy.

[Tiby]

Hey everyone, I'm "the guy who visits here sometimes". I'm afraid I haven't updated the Megatron Club Inc site for a while, but still address it when I am contacted directly. Hopefully I'll get around to contacting the relevant bodies again to get an update soon.

Please note the following:
1. MP05 is definitely the same size as a real gun. I was shown very similar guns when I visited the NSW Commissioner of Police to negotiate the NSW process. In fact, of all the pistols they had on the table for me, MP05 was one of the smaller ones.

2. The fact that it is a toy, or that you can buy a toy gun for $2 in the Reject shop means nothing. If it is a replica, imitation or can be confused as a real firearms, there are problems.

3. The fact that it is shipped in robot mode means nothing because it can turn into a replica. Original MP05 was pinged by Customs in robot mode.

4. Arguing with Customs is pointless. They will just refer you to the relent State authority. The good thing they have done is not automatically charged everyone who imported MP05 with importing a prohibited item. They gave us a chance to resolve this.

5. Moving the figure across State lines is not a solution. Importation and possession are separate crimes. If you happen to have a visit from the friendly boys and girls in blue, and they find MP05 in your home without a permit (where required), it will be simply another charge that they will slap on you to make sure something sticks.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any specific questions and I will do my best to answer them.

[drifand]

Though I would like to debate about some points especially anyone who knows how to transform this guy to a gun without instructions is beyond me.

But the law is the law. I think the above post basically sums it up.

Thanks.

[GoktimusPrime]

Though I would like to debate about some points especially anyone who knows how to transform this guy to a gun without instructions is beyond me.
You're assuming that everyone displays their MP Megatron in robot mode. ;) If a person were able to steal an MP Megatron in gun mode, then all they need to do is go and use it to threaten someone. Also, the same law applies for easier to transform gunformers too, such as G1 Megatron, Megaplex and Browning (or the Microman Magnum Gun Robo ;)).

[drifand]

Yes I was assuming if that was a argument stand point, but I will eventually bring my g1 magatron over as well.

[GoktimusPrime]

I'm sure that by now, most of you have heard the news about the Sydney man who got arrested for carrying replica toy firearms on a train (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2705383/Man-dressed-superhero-fake-weapons-arrested-police.html). :rolleyes:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/ngsmoov_facepalmperceptor.jpg
While I admire the guy's noble intentions, not everyone in the population reads comic books and are familiar with the Deadpool character. And from a regular Mundaner's (non-nerd folk) POV, all they see is a man in a mask carrying what looks like guns and swords. People were genuinely scared and called 000; the man was approached by armed police officers in Kevlar, ready to arrest him. Thankfully for him, the police exercised their discretion and let him go without charging him (instead instructing him to conceal the toy weapons). It's because stuff like this happens that replica toy guns are either outlawed or prohibited in many parts of the country. (-_-)

[Sinnertwin]

I'm sure that by now, most of you have heard the news about the Sydney man who got arrested for carrying replica toy firearms on a train (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2705383/Man-dressed-superhero-fake-weapons-arrested-police.html). :rolleyes:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/ngsmoov_facepalmperceptor.jpg


I'll be sure to reference this incident when i walk around town with my Masterpiece Megatron.
They clearly explain that he had permits for the items in question, why it is an offence to do so without one and why he was released without charges being laid.

[jazzcomp]

He should be arrested according to the replica laws or whatever NSW legal policies regarding replica firearm, right? ;)

Wonder why he didn't get arrested? :rolleyes:

[GoktimusPrime]

I suspect that the police decided to exercise discretion, considering that he was doing it to raise money for a children's hospital charity. :o Either way, it was just a silly thing to do.

[Sinnertwin]

I suspect that the police decided to exercise discretion, considering that he was doing it to raise money for a children's hospital charity. :o Either way, it was just a silly thing to do.

i think it would've been a different story if there wasn't a train full of mobile cameras around.
Afterall, charging a guy who's openly raising money for terminally ill children can't be good for public relations.

[drifand]

But that's what today's society is like. Many years ago I bought water guns that looked so realistic and nobody even has an issue with them.
Now is no to everything, and people calling it a nanny state.

Nothing much can be done, and looks like there won't be a mp-10 scaled megatron either. We be lucky with a galvatron IMO.

[GoktimusPrime]

Nothing much can be done, and looks like there won't be a mp-10 scaled megatron either. We be lucky with a galvatron IMO.
Why? MPs are made for the Japanese market. Australian laws aren't going to affect TakaraTOMY's decision to release gunformers. But it may become an issue when people in Australia choose to bring the toy here, which leaves us with one of three options:
+ be living in a region where the toy is fully legal (as you do! These toys are fully legal in WA!)
+ acquire or maintain a permit if they are living in a region where the toy is prohibited (as I do).
+ petition their region's police ministry for a legal avenue to own the toy, if they are living in a region where the toy is still illegal (good luck :o).

[Bidoofdude]

Since when does Deadpool raise money for charity?

[drifand]

Part of me thinks their marketing team may hold back as they can't get money from the western countries for such laws and thus they will focus on other mps first.

I guess time will tell

[GoktimusPrime]

Remember that Hasbro and TakaraTOMY have a standing legal contract which forbids them from cross contaminating each other's market (preventing them from directly competing with each other). TakaraTOMY doesn't factor overseas markets into the equation when they develop their toys, they purely create them for their own domestic market, unless it's something that they're developing in tandem with Hasbro. But in the case of high end collectible lines like G1 reissues and Masterpiece, TakaraTOMY only looks at their own domestic market. Takara(TOMY) probably would never have bothered reissuing G1 Megatron several times and producing a Masterpiece Megatron toy if they were concerned about its saleability in Hasbro markets.

[drifand]

Yeah but it doesn't affect Asian countries overall as this is a toy gun to them, feels like some one hated megatron and put a lot of red tape.

[GoktimusPrime]

Yeah but it doesn't affect Asian countries overall as this is a toy gun to them, feels like some one hated megatron and put a lot of red tape.
That doesn't matter. The contract has nothing to do with the legality of toy guns. It's to do with preventing Hasbro and TakaraTOMY from competing with each other. Basically, the two companies agreed to cooperate with each other but under the stipulation that they do not 'cross contaminate' each other's markets with their products unless it's a collaborative effort or if they have the other party's consent. For example, the Unicron Trilogy franchise was a collaborative effort between Hasbro and TakaraTOMY. Toys like MP02 Ultra Magnus, MP04 Convoy Perfect Edition, MP Ghost Starscream, DotM Jetwing Optimus Prime, Encore Sky Lynx etc. were released here because Hasbro Australia acquired permission from TakaraTOMY to distribute those toys to local retailers. And Takara(TOMY) has released some Hasbro Transformers in Japanese stores too, and that would've been done with permission from Hasbro. But as far as both parties developing products for their respective markets, they are actually disallowed from factoring in each other's markets unless it's a bilateral project; which Masterpiece isn't -- we all know that MPs are Takara's babies, and Hasbro just opportunistically releases their versions of whatever Takara releases (ditto w/ G1 reissues).

[CyberiusPrime]

Someone on Gumtree is selling a MISB
MP megaton, I think it's a bit pricey .

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/hampton-park/toys-indoor/transformers-new-used/1050506046

[Sinnertwin]

Someone on Gumtree is selling a MISB
MP megaton, I think it's a bit pricey .

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/hampton-park/toys-indoor/transformers-new-used/1050506046

It's the wrong Megatron pictured anyway. You can grab that or a similar version for a lot cheaper.
I suspect he just put the Masterpiece as a blanket heading

[VERT]

Did I see that right. $50 for a G1 Sizzle lol

Yeah right..

[BruiseLee]

Interesting sales spiel for Megs. "Banned in Australia..." Well maybe that has appeal for some people... :rolleyes:

[drifand]

Interesting sales spiel for Megs. "Banned in Australia..." Well maybe that has appeal for some people... :rolleyes:

Can always be a bastard and report to authorities. Lol
Technically it is illegal

[GoktimusPrime]

It's not "banned in Australia." It's only banned in some parts of Australia and prohibited or even perfectly legal in other parts. The legal status of this toy varies between states and territories, so to say that it's nationally outlawed is inaccurate.

[Tfiguy]

Do the restrictions still apply in other states if they have the red plug attached?

[drifand]

It's not "banned in Australia." It's only banned in some parts of Australia and prohibited or even perfectly legal in other parts. The legal status of this toy varies between states and territories, so to say that it's nationally outlawed is inaccurate.

One of the main things is almost All international parcels go through VIC or NSW where they may stop the item there and then before sorting whether legal or not to the other states.

[drifand]

Do the restrictions still apply in other states if they have the red plug attached?

Red plug is a no count. They can confiscate it if you are in a state where they have applied the laws. You need the paper work to own one in those states.

[griffin]

Exactly.

There are different types or laws and restrictions when it comes to replica weapons, and one type of restriction in one jurisdiction doesn't mean it is the same type of restriction in another jurisdiction.

Types of laws pertaining to replica weapons like Megatron...
- Complete ban (no ownership of it in any form, even modified or coloured - this applies to Victoria and maybe some other states)
- Banned if it has a realistic colour (needs to be mostly or entirely brightly coloured)
- Banned if it doesn't have an orange tip (this appears to be the American federal standard for toys, but not anywhere in Australia)
- Banned if you don't have a license/permit (and maybe some storage conditions - this is the NSW requirement)
- Permitted, but not to be carried in public (this is for QLD and probably other states that don't have a ban or permit requirement)

[Sinnertwin]

of course, if you dress up as Deadpool for charity and catch the train into work none of these rules apply :rolleyes:

[1AZRAEL1]

of course, if you dress up as Deadpool for charity and catch the train into work none of these rules apply :rolleyes:

Haha

[Ultra Mackness]

I'm pretty sure (read that as certain) that MP Megs is able to be legally owned in Victoria (where it is considered an "imitation" firearm) and has been for a few years now, you just need to jump through some hoops to get the Chief commissioner's approval:

http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=32717

All the information is available from the links in this page, but the second last paragraph is the relevant one.

In fact I'm now not certain that MP Megs is actually banned anywhere in Australia?

[Lint]

I'm pretty sure (read that as certain) that MP Megs is able to be legally owned in Victoria (where it is considered an "imitation" firearm) and has been for a few years now, you just need to jump through some hoops to get the Chief commissioner's approval:

http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=32717

All the information is available from the links in this page, but the second last paragraph is the relevant one.

In fact I'm now not certain that MP Megs is actually banned anywhere in Australia?

And after a few more clicks, the cost of making a successful application to the Chief Commissioner is $178.70. A pretty hefty hoop to jump through.


"Successful applications attract prescribed fees (file:///C:/Users/Andrew.Sam/Downloads/Control-of-Weapons-Fees-2014-2015.pdf). A money order or personal cheque made out to the Licensing Services Division must accompany all applications in the first instance. Where an application is rejected, this will be returned to the applicant."

I don't love my MP Megs that much :o

[5FDP]

So... for a 'fee' they'll make your problem disappear? It's funny how something illegal can be made legal by simply throwing money at it. That's not like the police at all :rolleyes:

[Ultra Mackness]

And after a few more clicks, the cost of making a successful application to the Chief Commissioner is $178.70. A pretty hefty hoop to jump through.

Yeah it is expensive now, but it is legal to own MP or other gun forming Megs in Victoria. By making the fee so high, whether he is prohibited or not kind of becomes the choice of the collector.

[griffin]

So NSW & VIC have conditional ownership laws, compared to other states that are either legal or illegal.

[jazzcomp]

of course, if you dress up as Deadpool for charity and catch the train into work none of these rules apply :rolleyes:
Once the public knows about how ridiculous the laws are, they'll ignore it. :D But if this wasn't in the news, you'll bet he'll get some kind of fine for violating the law.

[Lint]

Yeah it is expensive now, but it is legal to own MP or other gun forming Megs in Victoria. By making the fee so high, whether he is prohibited or not kind of becomes the choice of the collector.

On the upside, some further reading reveals that once an individual or business has made this successful application they can pretty much import and own as many imitation firearms as they like.



Is there a limit to how many imitation firearms I can possess under a Chief
Commissioner’s Weapons Approval or a Governor in Council Exemption?
No. As there is no requirement to register imitation firearms, there is no limit as to
the amount that can be possessed once a Chief Commissioner’s Prohibited Weapons
Approval or Governor in Council Exemption is obtained, unless otherwise specified
by condition.

Ref: http://www.police.vic.gov.au/retrievemedia.asp?media_id=70080&status=active


Though for a TF collector this pretty much amounts to the two MP's, Browning and the half dozen or so variants of the G1 toy?

Someone needs to update that Megatron Owners Club website.

[GoktimusPrime]

And after a few more clicks, the cost of making a successful application to the Chief Commissioner is $178.70. A pretty hefty hoop to jump through.

I don't love my MP Megs that much :o
That fee is waived in NSW. It still appears on the form, but we don't have to pay it, so we just ignore it. Check to see if it's been similarly waived in VIC too. The form itself is for people who apply for permits to own proper replica firearms, hence the fee -- but I know that in NSW it's been waived.

[Sinnertwin]

Once the public knows about how ridiculous the laws are, they'll ignore it. :D But if this wasn't in the news, you'll bet he'll get some kind of fine for violating the law.

Oh yeah, that was a PR Job & a half from the Police.

[laproblematique]

Just buy one in HK and take it through HK and Australia customs like I did back in '09.

:)

[griffin]

This was an interesting article I came across today (http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2013/09/ask-lh-is-it-legal-to-import-replica-guns/). It actually refers to this Customs document here (http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/ImportingFirearmsReplicas.pdf).

[drifand]

This was an interesting article I came across today (http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2013/09/ask-lh-is-it-legal-to-import-replica-guns/). It actually refers to this Customs document here (http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/ImportingFirearmsReplicas.pdf).

Basically is your responsibility to comply the State Laws.

Is a bit sad that we became over the top. I do NOT know how Singapore classify Megatron but Airsoft guns are illegal in Singapore whereas Magetrons are allowed.

The sad part of life is, anyone can respray a gun to look realistic, I have seen some toy guns in Toy World, though not as bad but it does do the job if you really want to rob a bank.

[snkeyz]

Hi guys first post, Ive just read the thread about importing mp05 megatron into Australia and the procedures to get him here, would this also apply to other megatron figures or just specifically to mp05??

Does it matter if megatron is shipped in transformed as a gun? I think the hegemon comes in robot form so will this matter??

[xlojnr]

from what I've read about the NSW situation;

Customs: Shipping in Robot mode would improve the chances of it getting through customs, as it does not resemble a replica weapon at that time - but even though you may receive your package you still have to consider the consequences of owning one without a permit.
Ownership: If it can change into a form which resembles a firearm then you could be in trouble (so it doesn't matter if its shipped in robot or gun mode when it comes to legality of ownership).

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/140178/Imitation_Firearms_Permit_FACT_Sheet_Sep_2013_V1.4 .pdf

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/services/firearms/permits/firearms_permits/imitation

are links to all the information for NSW.

Having said that, the link to the fact sheet states that

An imitation firearm does not include anything that is produced and identified as a children's toy ... A child's toy would be distinguished from an imitation firearm by the packaging, targeted sale market (ie sold in a toy
store, marked for ages 3+ etc), the materials the toy is made from, the general appearance or the functioning of the toy
(for example, a water pistol).

So if the apollyon packaging states an age range on it, and its shipped in robot mode, I'd think that you could argue that it should be classified as a children's toy.

[snkeyz]

fair enough I just found an aussie seller online who has pre orders for this figure so i just placed an order with them, i tihkn i will place alot more orders with these guys tfidownunder, saving a crap load on shipping

[snkeyz]

from what I've read about the NSW situation;

Customs: Shipping in Robot mode would improve the chances of it getting through customs, as it does not resemble a replica weapon at that time - but even though you may receive your package you still have to consider the consequences of owning one without a permit.
Ownership: If it can change into a form which resembles a firearm then you could be in trouble (so it doesn't matter if its shipped in robot or gun mode when it comes to legality of ownership).

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/140178/Imitation_Firearms_Permit_FACT_Sheet_Sep_2013_V1.4 .pdf

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/services/firearms/permits/firearms_permits/imitation

are links to all the information for NSW.

Having said that, the link to the fact sheet states that


So if the apollyon packaging states an age range on it, and its shipped in robot mode, I'd think that you could argue that it should be classified as a children's toy.

Hey man thanx a million for the effort and help much appreciated:)

[xlojnr]

no worries.

let us know how you like the apollyon when you get it!! (in the 3rd party toys forum)

[snkeyz]

no worries.

let us know how you like the apollyon when you get it!! (in the 3rd party toys forum)

no worries sure will

[Raider]

This site might also help http://www.megatron.net.au/.

Thanks to Tiby I was able to get my Megs back from the nasty customs office a couple years back. Such a shame that Customs decided to hack the box with the box cutters when they opened it...

[griffin]

Ongoing topic here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=15885) about replica gun toys.
(this topic will be merged with it later)

[DELTAprime]

Don't risk importing it at all if you don't have the legal right to own one. If Customs sees it no matter what state you are in they will seize it and you can be prosecuted. All MP Megatron's ship in robot mode, it makes no difference. If you are in a state that allows ownership of toy guns or you have permits then Megatron will still be seized, but you have legal procedures you can follow to get it forwarded to you by customs. Sometimes a gun Transformer slips through customs, that does not make it legal.

[GoktimusPrime]

...or ya know... you could just get the permit and stress less? :o Many of us here are permit holders. :)

The law covers any toy that can be considered a replica firearm (i.e. transforms into a gun mode based on an actual gun and can be held like one). So this includes:
+ Microman Gun Robos
+ G1 Megatron (and all reissues)
+ G1 Browning
+ eHobby Megaplex
+ Masterpiece Megatron

Transforming it to robot mode doesn't matter. Since 2007 Australian Customs started intercepting Masterpiece Megatron, despite being packaged in robot mode. They've figured out how to detect these toys in robot mode. Also be aware that Customs can seize parcels across state borders too (AFAIK).

On the plus side, the following Gunformers are perfectly legal in NSW:
+ G1 Shockwave, G1 Galvatron & Classics Megatron (fictitious non-realistic looking gun modes)
+ Smallest Transforming and Reveal the Shield Megatron (too small to be realistically held like a gun)

[snkeyz]

thanks for the info and help guys,so does it usually take long to get this permit in nsw??

[GoktimusPrime]

It can take a few weeks, so best to apply ASAP, but before you submit the application, be sure that you are compliant with safe storage requirements. See here (http://megatron.net.au/MC_Masterpiece_MP05_NSW.htm) for full details about applying for the permit and complying with safe storage requirements in NSW.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/megatronpermitt.jpg

[cody]

Hey Guys

I am new to this forum and just started collecting :)

I understand that MP5 megs is not legal, but what about the gold re-issue?

Do you think there will be any issues with that?

Cheers!

[5FDP]

Welcome to Ozformers :)

The same laws apply. It's still considered a replica firearm (http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz5xdeAXi11ro7afco1_500.jpg).